2024–25 Rain or Shine Elasto Painters season

2024–25 Rain or Shine Elasto Painters season
Head coachYeng Guiao
General ManagerMamerto Mondragon
Jireh Ibañes (assistant)
Owner(s)Asian Coatings Philippines, Inc.
Governors' Cup results
Record7–3
(70%)
Place1st in group B
Playoff finishSemifinalist (lost to TNT, 1–4)
Commissioner's Cup results
Record7–5
(58.3%)
Place6th
Playoff finishSemifinalist (lost to TNT, 1–4)
Philippine Cup results
Record6–5
(54.5%)
Place7th
Playoff finishSemifinalist (lost to TNT, 2–4)
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters seasons

The 2024–25 Rain or Shine Elasto Painters season was the 18th season of the franchise in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA).

Key dates

Draft picks

Round Pick Player Position Place of birth College
1 7 Caelan Tiongson F  USA Biola
1 8 Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti G  Sweden Salt Lake CC
2 13 Francis Escandor F  Philippines De La Salle
2 16 Mike Malonzo F  Philippines NU
2 20 Miguel Corteza F  Philippines Benilde
3 32 Darwish Bederi C/F  Philippines UP

Roster

2023–24 Rain or Shine Elasto Painters roster
Players Coaches
Pos. # POB Name Height Weight DOB (YYYY–MM–DD) From
F 0 Caelan Tiongson (R) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 1992–05–07 Biola
G 1 Adrian Nocum 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) 167 lb (76 kg) 1999−08−10 Mapúa
G 2 Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti  (R) 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) 1999–02–10 Salt Lake CC
G 3 Gian Mamuyac 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 165 lb (75 kg) 1999–03–05 Ateneo
F 4 Mike Malonzo (R) 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 1999−10−23 National-U
F 5 Gabe Norwood 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 190 lb (86 kg) 1985–02–09 George Mason
F 7 Francis Escandor (R) 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 1999–03–18 De La Salle
G 8 Anton Asistio 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) 175 lb (79 kg) 1995–06–02 Ateneo
G/F 10 Shaun Ildefonso 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 198 lb (90 kg) 1997–09–30 National-U
G 14 Andrei Caracut 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) 180 lb (82 kg) 1996–01–30 De La Salle
F 16 Mark Borboran 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 185 lb (84 kg) 1984–11–01 UE
C 21 Keith Datu 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 220 lb (100 kg) 1996–03–19 Chico State
G/F 22 Jhonard Clarito 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 187 lb (85 kg) 1996–04–03 De Ocampo
C 24 Luis Villegas  6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 215 lb (98 kg) 1997−09−05 UE
F/C 25 Leonard Santillan 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 210 lb (95 kg) 1996–03–05 De La Salle
C 28 Beau Belga (C / FA) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 245 lb (111 kg) 1986–11–30 Philippine Christian
C 41 Kris Porter 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 195 lb (88 kg) 1994–09–02 Ateneo
Head coach
Assistant coach(es)
Team manager
  • Mamerto Mondragon[a]
  • Jireh Ibañes (assistant)



Legend
  • (C) Team captain
  • (CI) Commissioner's Cup Import
  • (GI) Governors' Cup Import
  • (EI) EASL Import
  • (DP) Unsigned draft pick
  • (FA) Free agent
  • (IN) Inactive
  • (S) Suspended
  • (R) Rookie
  • Injured

Roster


  • a also serves as Rain or Shine's board governor.

Governors' Cup

Eliminations

Group B Standings

Pos Team W L PCT GB Qualification
1 7 3 .700 Quarterfinals
2 San Miguel Beermen 6 4 .600[a] 1
3 Barangay Ginebra San Miguel 6 4 .600[a] 1
4 NLEX Road Warriors 5 5 .500[b] 2
5 Blackwater Bossing 5 5 .500[b] 2
6 Phoenix Fuel Masters 1 9 .100 6
Source: PBA.ph
Rules for classification: 1) winning percentage; 2) if two teams are tied, head-to-head record, if three or more teams are tied, head-to-head goal average (quotient); 3) overall quotient; 4) coin toss[2]
Notes:
  1. ^ a b Head-to-head record: San Miguel 1–1 Barangay Ginebra (San Miguel 1.23, Barangay Ginebra 0.82)
  2. ^ a b Head-to-head record: NLEX 1–1 Blackwater (NLEX 1.03, Blackwater 0.97)

Game log

2024 PBA Governors' Cup game log
Total: 7–3
August: 4–0
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
1 August 20 Blackwater W 110–97 Aaron Fuller (24) Aaron Fuller (19) Andrei Caracut (6) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–0
2 August 24 Barangay Ginebra W 73–64 Aaron Fuller (16) Aaron Fuller (23) Jhonard Clarito (4) Candon City Arena 2–0
3 August 28 NLEX W 124–105 Jhonard Clarito (24) Aaron Fuller (20) Andrei Caracut (7) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 3–0
4 August 30 Phoenix W 116–99 Aaron Fuller (28) Aaron Fuller (22) Caracut, Tiongson (4) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 4–0
September: 3–3
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
5 September 5 San Miguel L 112–113 Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (28) Aaron Fuller (19) Gian Mamuyac (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 4–1
6 September 10 Phoenix W 122–107 Fuller, Nocum (16) Aaron Fuller (11) Caracut, Nocum (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 5–1
7 September 13 Barangay Ginebra L 102–124 Aaron Fuller (28) Aaron Fuller (11) Andrei Caracut (4) Smart Araneta Coliseum 5–2
8 September 17 NLEX W 123–114 (OT) Anton Asistio (25) Aaron Fuller (25) Caelan Tiongson (4) Smart Araneta Coliseum 6–2
9 September 19 San Miguel W 122–112 Andrei Caracut (20) Fuller, Norwood (11) Andrei Caracut (8) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 7–2
10 September 23 Blackwater L 118–139 Jhonard Clarito (18) Aaron Fuller (9) Andrei Caracut (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 7–3

Playoffs

Bracket

Quarterfinals
(Best-of-5)
Semifinals
(Best-of-7)
Finals
(Best-of-7)
A1TNT3
B4NLEX1
A1TNT4
B11
B13
A4Magnolia2
A1TNT4
B3Barangay Ginebra2
B2San Miguel3
A3Converge2
B2San Miguel2
B3Barangay Ginebra4
A2Meralco0
B3Barangay Ginebra3

Game log

2024 PBA Governors' Cup playoffs game log
Total: 4–6
Quarterfinals: 3–2
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 September 25 Magnolia W 109–105 Aaron Fuller (24) Aaron Fuller (20) Fuller, Santillan (4) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 1–0
2 September 27 Magnolia L 69–121 Adrian Nocum (13) Caelan Tiongson (6) Gian Mamuyac (3) Santa Rosa Sports Complex 1–1
3 September 29 Magnolia W 111–106 (OT) Aaron Fuller (29) Leonard Santillan (13) Aaron Fuller (6) Ynares Center 2–1
4 October 1 Magnolia L 100–129 Aaron Fuller (22) Aaron Fuller (10) Belga, Caracut, Clarito, Mamuyac, Nocum, Norwood, Pangilinan-Lemetti (2) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 2–2
5 October 5 Magnolia W 113–103 Aaron Fuller (26) Jhonard Clarito (10) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (6) Ynares Center 3–2
Semifinals: 1–4
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 October 9 TNT L 81–90 Aaron Fuller (18) Aaron Fuller (21) Caracut, Mamuyac (4) PhilSports Arena 0–1
2 October 11 TNT L 91–108 Jhonard Clarito (18) Jhonard Clarito (7) Caracut, Fuller (3) Smart Araneta Coliseum 0–2
3 October 13 TNT W 110–109 Aaron Fuller (26) Aaron Fuller (16) Gian Mamuyac (5) Dasmariñas Arena 1–2
4 October 16 TNT L 79–81 Aaron Fuller (22) Aaron Fuller (18) Mamuyac, Nocum, Pangilinan-Lemetti (4) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–3
5 October 18 TNT L 95–113 Aaron Fuller (14) Aaron Fuller (6) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (4) Ynares Center
10,039
1–4

Commissioner's Cup

Eliminations

Standings

Pos Team W L PCT GB Qualification
1 NorthPort Batang Pier 9 3 .750 Twice-to-beat in the quarterfinals
2 TNT Tropang Giga 8 4 .667[a] 1
3 Converge FiberXers 8 4 .667[a] 1 Best-of-three quarterfinals
4 Barangay Ginebra San Miguel 8 4 .667[a] 1
5 Meralco Bolts 7 5 .583[b] 2
6 7 5 .583[b] 2
7 Eastern (G) 7 5 .583[b] 2 Twice-to-win in the quarterfinals
8 Magnolia Chicken Timplados Hotshots 6 6 .500[c] 3
9 NLEX Road Warriors 6 6 .500[c] 3
10 San Miguel Beermen 5 7 .417 4
11 Blackwater Bossing 3 9 .250[d] 6
12 Phoenix Fuel Masters 3 9 .250[d] 6
13 Terrafirma Dyip 1 11 .083 8
Source: PBA.ph
Rules for classification: 1) winning percentage; 2) if two teams are tied, head-to-head record; if three or more teams are tied, head-to-head goal average (quotient); if tied for 8th, one-game playoff; 3) overall quotient; 4) coin toss[3]
(G) Guests
Notes:
  1. ^ a b c Head-to-head quotient: TNT 1.04, Converge 1.03, Barangay Ginebra 0.94
  2. ^ a b c Head-to-head quotient: Meralco 1.08, Rain or Shine 1.04, Eastern 0.88
  3. ^ a b Eighth seed playoff: Magnolia 112–81 NLEX
  4. ^ a b Head-to-head record: Blackwater 1–0 Phoenix

Game log

2024–25 PBA Commissioner's Cup game log
Total: 7–5
December: 4–1
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
1 December 1, 2024 Meralco L 111–121 Keith Datu (17) Jhonard Clarito (11) Andrei Caracut (8) Ynares Center 0–1
2 December 4, 2024 Eastern W 99–81 Deon Thompson (21) Deon Thompson (15) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (4) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 1–1
3 December 10, 2024 San Miguel W 107–93 Deon Thompson (18) Jhonard Clarito (11) Caracut, Nocum, Pangilinan-Lemetti (5) Filoil EcoOil Centre 2–1
4 December 18, 2024 Magnolia W 102–100 Deon Thompson (18) Deon Thompson (15) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (4) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 3–1
5 December 22, 2024 Terrafirma W 124–112 Deon Thompson (23) Deon Thompson (17) Pangilinan-Lemetti, Thompson (4) PhilSports Arena 4–1
January: 3–4
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
6 January 8, 2025 Blackwater W 122–106 Deon Thompson (25) Deon Thompson (16) Anton Asistio (7) PhilSports Arena 5–1
7 January 11, 2025 Phoenix L 91–93 Deon Thompson (22) Deon Thompson (13) Deon Thompson (6) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 5–2
8 January 14, 2025 Converge L 96–103 Jhonard Clarito (24) Deon Thompson (22) Andrei Caracut (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 5–3
9 January 16, 2025 NorthPort W 127–107 Deon Thompson (27) Deon Thompson (11) Adrian Nocum (7) PhilSports Arena 6–3
10 January 22, 2025 Barangay Ginebra L 92–120 Deon Thompson (23) Deon Thompson (15) Caelan Tiongson (5) Ynares Center 6–4
11 January 25, 2025 NLEX L 110–122 Deon Thompson (26) Deon Thompson (11) Nocum, Thompson (5) Ynares Center 6–5
12 January 31, 2025 TNT W 106–96 Deon Thompson (22) Deon Thompson (16) Andrei Caracut (6) PhilSports Arena 7–5

Playoffs

Bracket

Quarterfinals
Semifinals
(Best-of-7)
Finals
(Best-of-7)
(#1 twice-to-beat)
1NorthPort113
8Magnolia110
1NorthPort1
(best-of-3)
4Barangay Ginebra4
4Barangay Ginebra2
5Meralco1
4Barangay Ginebra3
(#2 twice-to-beat)
2TNT4
2TNT109
7Eastern93
2TNT4
(best-of-3)
61
3Converge1
62

Game log

2024–25 PBA Commissioner's Cup playoffs game log
Total: 3–5
Quarterfinals: 2–1
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 February 5, 2025 Converge L 118–130 Caelan Tiongson (23) Deon Thompson (6) Anton Asistio (5) Smart Araneta Coliseum 0–1
2 February 7, 2025 Converge W 114–104 Nocum, Thompson (28) Deon Thompson (18) Deon Thompson (7) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 1–1
3 February 9, 2025 Converge W 112–103 Deon Thompson (34) Deon Thompson (12) Deon Thompson (7) Ynares Center 2–1
Semifinals: 1–4
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 February 26, 2025 TNT L 84–88 Deon Thompson (29) Deon Thompson (16) Andrei Caracut (4) Smart Araneta Coliseum 0–1
2 February 28, 2025 TNT L 91–93 Deon Thompson (22) Deon Thompson (14) Deon Thompson (5) PhilSports Arena 0–2
3 March 2, 2025 TNT W 103–98 Deon Thompson (19) Deon Thompson (15) Caracut, Clarito, Nocum, Thompson, Tiongson (4) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–2
4 March 5, 2025 TNT L 85–93 Deon Thompson (44) Deon Thompson (13) Adrian Nocum (5) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–3
5 March 7, 2025 TNT L 92–97 Deon Thompson (34) Leonard Santillan (7) Adrian Nocum (7) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–4

Philippine Cup

Eliminations

Standings

Pos Team W L PCT GB Qualification
1 San Miguel Beermen 8 3 .727[a] Twice-to-beat in the quarterfinals
2 NLEX Road Warriors 8 3 .727[a]
3 Magnolia Chicken Timplados Hotshots 8 3 .727[a]
4 Barangay Ginebra San Miguel 8 3 .727[a]
5 Converge FiberXers 7 4 .636 1 Twice-to-win in the quarterfinals
6 TNT Tropang 5G 6 5 .545[b] 2
7 6 5 .545[b] 2
8 Meralco Bolts 6 5 .545[b] 2
9 Phoenix Fuel Masters 4 7 .364 4
10 Blackwater Bossing 2 9 .182[c] 6
11 NorthPort Batang Pier 2 9 .182[c] 6
12 Terrafirma Dyip 1 10 .091 7
Source: PBA.ph
Rules for classification: 1) winning percentage; 2) if two teams are tied, head-to-head record; if three or more teams are tied, head-to-head goal average (quotient); if tied for 8th, one-game playoff; 3) overall quotient; 4) coin toss[2]
Notes:
  1. ^ a b c d Head-to-head quotient: San Miguel 1.06, NLEX 1.01, Magnolia 0.97, Barangay Ginebra 0.96
  2. ^ a b c Head-to-head quotient: TNT 1.13, Rain or Shine 1.02, Meralco 0.87
  3. ^ a b Head-to-head record: Blackwater 1–0 NorthPort

Game log

2025 PBA Philippine Cup game log
Total: 6–5
April: 2–2
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
1 April 12 NLEX L 95–109 Caelan Tiongson (24) Clarito, Nocum, Tiongson (7) Adrian Nocum (6) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 0–1
2 April 16 NorthPort W 113–96 Gian Mamuyac (22) Norwood, Santillan (10) Andrei Caracut (5) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–1
3 April 27 Meralco W 128–116 Leonard Santillan (27) Leonard Santillan (7) Andrei Caracut (7) Ynares Center 2–1
4 April 30 Converge L 97–107 Leonard Santillan (26) Keith Datu (10) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (5) PhilSports Arena 2–2
May: 3–1
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
5 May 7 Blackwater W 120–106 Keith Datu (27) Leonard Santillan (9) Felix Pangilinan-Lemetti (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 3–2
6 May 18 Magnolia W 119–105 Adrian Nocum (20) Leonard Santillan (13) Adrian Nocum (7) Ynares Center II
8,175
4–2
7 May 21 TNT L 103–111 Andrei Caracut (20) Leonard Santillan (10) Gian Mamuyac (7) Ynares Center 4–3
8 May 28 Phoenix W 109–99 Adrian Nocum (30) Jhonard Clarito (10) Mamuyac, Tiongson (4) PhilSports Arena 5–3
June: 1–2
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Record
9 June 4 Terrafirma W 94–85 Jhonard Clarito (12) Leonard Santillan (9) Adrian Nocum (6) PhilSports Arena 6–3
10 June 7 San Miguel L 111–120 Andrei Caracut (24) Clarito, Santillan (6) Andrei Caracut (7) Aquilino Q. Pimentel Jr. International Convention Center 6–4
11 June 15 Barangay Ginebra L 80–98 Nocum, Santillan (13) Leonard Santillan (10) Andrei Caracut (3) Ynares Center 6–5

Playoffs

Bracket

QuarterfinalsSemifinals
(best-of-7)
Finals
(best-of-7)
(#1 twice-to-beat)
1San Miguel108
8Meralco97
1San Miguel4
(#4 twice-to-beat)
4Barangay Ginebra3
4Barangay Ginebra88
5Converge80
1San Miguel
(#2 twice-to-beat)
6TNT
2NLEX8992
792103
72
(#3 twice-to-beat)
6TNT4
3Magnolia8879
6TNT8980

*If necessary

Game log

2025 PBA Philippine Cup playoffs game log
Total: 4–4
Quarterfinals: 2–0
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 June 18 NLEX W 92–89 Clarito, Nocum (20) Jhonard Clarito (21) Gabe Norwood (3) PhilSports Arena 1–0
2 June 21 NLEX W 103–92 Leonard Santillan (24) Jhonard Clarito (16) Adrian Nocum (6) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 2–0
Semifinals: 2–4
Game Date Opponent Score High points High rebounds High assists Location
Attendance
Series
1 June 25 TNT L 91–98 Andrei Caracut (16) Caelan Tiongson (8) Nocum, Tiongson (3) SM Mall of Asia Arena 0–1
2 June 27 TNT L 105–113 (OT) Adrian Nocum (27) Jhonard Clarito (8) Gian Mamuyac (5) Ninoy Aquino Stadium 0–2
3 June 29 TNT W 107–86 Anton Asistio (24) Keith Datu (10) Anton Asistio (6) Smart Araneta Coliseum 1–2
4 July 2 TNT L 92–108 Gabe Norwood (18) Gabe Norwood (9) Andrei Caracut (7) SM Mall of Asia Arena 1–3
5 July 4 TNT W 113–97 Gian Mamuyac (22) Clarito, Norwood (7) Clarito, Nocum (5) Smart Araneta Coliseum 2–3
6 July 6 TNT L 89–97 Caelan Tiongson (30) Leonard Santillan (8) Caracut, Mamuyac, Nocum (3) Smart Araneta Coliseum 2–4

Transactions

Free agency

Signings

Player Date signed Contract amount Contract length Former team Ref.
Beau Belga September 11, 2024 Not disclosed 1 year Re-signed [4]
Mike Malonzo April 14, 2025 3 years [5]
Kris Porter May 28, 2025 Not disclosed Batangas City Tanduay Rum Masters (MPBL) [6]
Adrian Nocum July 1, 2025 ₱420,000 per month (max. contract) 3 years Re-signed [7]

Subtractions

Player Number Position Reason New team Ref.
Sherwin Concepcion 23 Small forward End of contract Abra Weavers (MPBL) [8]
Mac Belo 12 Power forward Released Zamboanga Valientes (The Asian Tournament) [9]
Nick Demusis 31 Small forward / Power forward Contract not renewed Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards (MPBL) [10][11]

Trades

Pre-season

July
July 17, 2024[12] To Rain or Shine
2026 Blackwater second-round pick (from TNT)
To Blackwater
Miguel Corteza

Recruited imports

Tournament Name Debuted Last game Record Ref.
Governors' Cup Aaron Fuller August 20, 2024 (vs. Blackwater) October 18, 2024 (vs. TNT) 11–9 [13]
Commissioner's Cup Deon Thompson December 4, 2024 (vs. Eastern) March 7, 2025 (vs. TNT) 10–9 [14]

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